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4:51 pm
February 23, 2010


JBRI

garden city ks

Member

posts 20

i have a concern with the distributor packages for the thunders. i am trying to field a ford thunderbird with a 302 cubic inch motor. and im runnig into issues with the distributors. it seems that to buy a “stock” ignition system you need older style three wire, external coil, with seperate ignition box to make motor fire. having priced these items on e-bay, napa, and other parts dealers of various natures, have come up with an avereage price of one hundred and fifty dollars. to purchace a two wire internal coil electronic distributor on e-bay is fifty dollars.  last year i fielded a chevy and got my motor and distributor from jim sammons and it was a two plug internal coil electronic distributor and he said it was legal because it wasn't hei.  well personally i dont see a difference, and therefore doubt any one else can either.  now in light that this is an “eccomnomicly friendly” racing class it seems to me that not only would the choice of the two plug system eliminate a lot of un-need work, but also allow anyone brave enough to run something other than a chevy the ability to run the same distributors that the chevy guys get to for the same price.  now im not to destroy a class by allowing the use of the same cheap and easy parts that, as a by product, happen to add a little performance to the class; whear as now we have an open oil pan rule that will allow who ever has the most money to put the best pan on the car that they can fit. all that i ask for is reasonable consideration of the idea. thank you.Smile

                                                                                                                                        josh bonwell  

Josh Bonwell/Josh Bonwell Racing Industries

9:14 pm
February 23, 2010


Billy Young

Member

posts 31

Ok, after thinking about this I came up with a solution, your choice in the Ford is alright but, we are sticking with stock, which means you have to go stock with the ford ignition. I come from a ford only family and feel for ya but sorry, only stock. Thanks. Billy

IMCA Modified, IMCA Stocks, Thunder Cars and Hornet Tech. Keep it Legal and Lets all have some fun.
If you need to ask a question, Call and will try to help answer. 620-789-0313

10:59 pm
February 23, 2010


JBRI

garden city ks

Member

posts 20

well so much for a cheap eccinomical race class eh. i dont detect any kind of a solution. all i hear is we only care about chevy racers so you ford and morpar quys are just f'ed. there is nothing but equallity to gain for cheaper i mean if i am wrong everybody please let me know and ill applogize and shut up. but this is crap i have a right to run a good as destributor as the next guy. im sorry chevy designed better stock equipment.  but we should be able to keep up with technology. 

Josh Bonwell/Josh Bonwell Racing Industries

11:12 pm
February 23, 2010


11m

Laverne, OK

Member

posts 32

Well the affordable part comes from goin out and finding USED stuff. If the new stuff is out of budget, check salvage, old farm trucks, neighbor's car that has blocked part of your driveway for 4 years Laugh etc etc.

Billy Phelps

11:23 pm
February 23, 2010


JBRI

garden city ks

Member

posts 20

yeah just go buy used junk that is more likely to fail and cost more money or maybe endager others

Josh Bonwell/Josh Bonwell Racing Industries

3:44 am
February 24, 2010


Ed Beckley

Admin

posts 1172

Josh your weapon of choice is yours,  now follow the rules set forth.  Your cry about Ford's and how they are a dis-advantage is wore out, that started way before I was back in Dodge and frankly you need another axe to grind.  

You do not have to use the ignition that came on that car and year and model.  Hook up a Ford oem distributer and run it.  That means whatever kind of FORD igntion – not a chevy or an accel or whatever it is OEM FORD it is legal. 

If there is not such an animal then you better decide a different approach….or weapon…. we are not re-writing the rules. 

Ed Beckley
Dodge City Raceway Park / Enid Speedway
dodgecityraceway@yahoo.com

9:41 am
February 24, 2010


shotgun

Member

posts 14

     I for one never felt like I was ever being f'ed over because I run a Mopar.  If Chey has such good stuff then why is the majority of those chevys being pushed around the track with a Ford 9 inch ?  A complete  9 inch isn't cheap.  Majority of those same cars are using a Ford starter solenoid to engage that starter motor.  I haven't seen an oil pan yet make a car go faster, I have seen them save motors, which can get costly. Yes, a stock  HEI system is simple to wire and they are dime a dozen. But as far as performance, that point can be argued till  H'''  freezes over.

     A friend of mine at Smith's Auto wrecking, Peitz, said he could probaly fix you up with a Dist, a box and harness for $75.00.  Use the blue tab box, gap youre plugs at .050 and you will have nice hot blue spark that will ignite what ever you want to run in that fuel cell.

    I'll stick with my Mopars,

                               shotgun

                                                                         

10:25 am
February 24, 2010


JBRI

garden city ks

Member

posts 20

look i dont really care about the performance aspect of the disrtibutor. if they are better, its wrtong to allow only one type of car to run the system. if they arent, i dont see the complication.  as to the ford nine inch.  the rules were re-written for anyone who can afford those to put them in to do so. as well with the oil pans. ( and yes more, cooler oil is a performance enhancement.) im not trying to make a big deal about this, but out of your own mouth ed, you wanted a cheap class that would allow for good competitive racing. you wanted cheap, GW says they are a dime a dozen. sounds good for the enitre class, not just me. this will be my last post on the subject, as i feel i have gotten my point accross.  i think its great that most of the people who race this class don't have to worry finacially about these issues because they have enough money to overcome whatever may arrise, and one or two less cars at the track is little consequence to you. but two years ago you led the public to believe that you cared about poor racers as well but i stand corrected today.  i appologize for my rediculousness, but not for wanting to be treated equally. thank you and good day.

PS fords wouldn't be at a dissadvantage if they were allowed to keep up

Josh Bonwell/Josh Bonwell Racing Industries

11:57 am
February 24, 2010


Ed Beckley

Admin

posts 1172

Again Josh your cry about Fords being at a dis-advantage is unwarranted.  Please do not tell Jeremy Nix that Fords are not equal…….as his Ford kicks ass. 

I was warned 3 years ago that you would never be happy and always want to act like your car is at a disadvantage to cloud your inabiility to compete no matter what class it is……… I see that continues – this time over the same distributer comments two years ago. 

Jeremy Nix if you are on here please let Josh know what you are using for ignition. 

Josh we will all help you find LEGAL equipment to run, but the rules are where you can buy Justin Schulte's car that won the Championship and all his equpiment for less than the cost of a Jr. Sprint or a micro midget or even most Dwarf cars………… I think our rules and proceedures still show we are all about the budget racer. 

Shotgun is a guy living on one lung in a wheel chair on a farm in Dighton and his big ole Mopar that everyone laughed at is as stock as the local ghetto crusier and he won a bunch of races and will continue.  Budget…….can you guess………he doesn't have one that is why he likes this class. 

Let's work together and help you find a stock application that works. 

Ed Beckley
Dodge City Raceway Park / Enid Speedway
dodgecityraceway@yahoo.com

2:23 pm
February 24, 2010


JBRI

garden city ks

Member

posts 20

ed, thank you again for your consideration of this matter.  i would again like to emphasise the point that i am not crying about being at a dissadvantage, i dont give a crap about the "quality", preformance wise of said equipment. i just want it cheap and easy. now enough said about that.  now i feel that you may be confusing me with another "josh wiel" who may fit some of the previously disscussed behavoirl traits. now i have never been anything other than reasonalble and respectful to you and any other individual that i have ecountered related in any way to racing.  to set the matter straight josh offered me a car to drive for him to help me out and get me started racing.  i then won the first two races that my car intered racing against cars of my own class.  i later won a third race aginst the 80d car which i was disqualified for having to lagre a carburator.  first and foremost i think this debunks my inability to drive, yes he wrecked everything he drove, so i hear. but second and most importantly, the only reason that the carb was on the car was that josh wiel felt that we had a right to run a four bbl.  if chevys could run four bbl.'s.  i didnt want the thing on the car but if i wanted to race the car i had to race it how he built it. and we went out and one, after they for weeks before that and made EVERYBODY look stupid.  all this was done with just a crappy little mercury cugar.  im not saying that fords are at a dissadvantage.  its still the only make i have won with.  go kick some butt with that ford jeremy.  im not saying that dalton was cheating, i have a lot of respect for him and his dad. josh wiel to. for all the hell and rediculousness everybody claims of him, hes really not bad people.  and gw as well.  sorry to hear bout you heath, prayers out to you. to bad that we couldnt work anything out i was looking forward to driving the car, good to see it doing so well. other than the carburator i can proudly say that car was not a cheater car. go stock ford. i dont care what anybody says about the headers, i pulled them off the other stock 302 motor myself.  i just want to be seen as a legitimate racer and a reasonable person. so if you say a cheaper, simpler ignition system is not reasonable, i will not arguee my point any further.  again ed thank you for everything you have done for the class and dodge city. if you have any ideas to help they will be greatly appriciated.   

Josh Bonwell/Josh Bonwell Racing Industries

2:48 pm
February 24, 2010


NAPA

Member

posts 29

Hey Josh.  I would love to see you racing again.  So here is the deal.  I just looked up a complete system for both chev and ford.

The Chev distributor, module, cap, rotor, and coil. new off of my shelf (the dist is re-man of course and the price includes not returning the core) at the best garauge discount is 248.26.   I bit the bullet and that is what is on my car. I prolly could have found some used one somewhere, but I wanted some dependability. 

Ok, now for the hi priced ford stuff.   This is the blue tab module system.

Dist, module, coil, cap, rotor,  $154.81

Granted, the chev is a bit easer to hook up, especially for me as I am a chev guy anyway. 

And if there is anything else that the ford requires that I dont know about, please let me know and I will check that  out.  As I said, I have always been a Chev guy.

5:25 pm
February 24, 2010


bmiracing

Member

posts 14

$200 you can have a distributor as good as a GM high performance dist.

5:34 pm
February 24, 2010


JBRI

garden city ks

Member

posts 20

and see if you get on ebay and find the right equipment, not the super powerful blasters and msd crap, then you will find good two wire hook up and go distributors for fifty bucks that would benefit everybody. i dont want the best or as good distributor. i want the cheapest.

Josh Bonwell/Josh Bonwell Racing Industries

9:15 pm
February 24, 2010


shotgun

Member

posts 14

Ed,  Dude,  Bubba, 

      It's me youre buddy,  your friend, thats so sad,  a ghetto cruiser?  How about a Sunday driver or the family car.

I think Danny S's Mopar would fit  the  " as stock as the local gheto cruiser"  just  because of his  paint  job. Just  kidding  Danny.

Heard your going to the stocks, Hope you have a good year in that class.

                                                                   shotgun

10:33 pm
February 24, 2010


NAPA

Member

posts 29

Josh,  the Thunder class is absolutly an economical class to run.  As you know I have some buddies from every class that runs.  Many of the Mod drivers have more invested in their engine than I have in my entire car, trailer, spare parts, and even including my tow rig.  They have to run tires that cost about $90 apiece, and I get to run their throw aways.  Their tranny, $1200 or more, not including the clutch.  They run methanol, we run pump gas. They run performance shocks at over $100 or $150 each, stock shocks cost $20 to $30 each, and if u want the high end stock shocks you can spend $50 each.  They have to buy an IMCA license each year, another expense that we dont have.  Dont even talk about their suspension under those cars.  Yea, that is mods, but the IMCA Stock class isnt very much cheaper to run, still expensive engine, performance shocks, springs, race fuel, tires, ignition systems, and all IMCA classes required to use Racievers this year, however, I recomend that ALL classes use them, but not required.  I know one guy that told me he spent over $30,000 to race  his Mod 10 years ago.  Not including buying the car,  just cost of racing.  Dont even think about Sprints,  some of their ignition systems cost as much as my engine.

I guess what I am saying, econimical is relative.  NASCAR Nation Wide Series is economical compared to Sprint Cup Series.

Most of the guys racing in the Thunder class could not afford to run in the other classes, including me.  To me, that says economical.  Anything that you do is going to cost money to do.  Priced a boat lately?  How bout a quad or 4-wheeler to run on the river.  Looked at a motorcycle?  A nice set of golf clubs will set you back a thousand bucks or more, not including the driver, greens fees and cart fees every time you play.  Last year, we spend $200 to $300 dollars for Chandra to run in the Hornet class and the only reason it cost that much is because we had to buy a new battery.   If economy is your chief concern, the Hornet class might be a good option for you to consider.

12:06 pm
February 25, 2010


Billy Young

Member

posts 31

Shotgun, that was just way to funny. Good to talk the other day. Seeya soon my friend. Billy

IMCA Modified, IMCA Stocks, Thunder Cars and Hornet Tech. Keep it Legal and Lets all have some fun.
If you need to ask a question, Call and will try to help answer. 620-789-0313

2:38 am
February 28, 2010


Ace

New Member

posts 2

OK BILLY, ED, SEEMS TO ME NIETHER ONE OF YOU HAVE DONE ANY RESEARCH AS TO YOUR DECISION ON THIS MATTER. MIGHT I SUGGEST EACH OF YOU GET ON EBAY MOTORS SEARCH "FORD 302 HEI" YOU WILL SEE WHAT THIS ARGUEMENT IS ABOUT. NOW AS FOR PERFORMANCE ADVANTAGE THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  THE DISTRBUTOR ADVERTISED IS THE SAME AS THE CHEVY GUYS USE, SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PERHAPS ED, BILLY YOU COULD POLE THE REST OF THE FIELD, YOU KNOW, JUST TAKE A VOTE. I TOLD MR.BONWELL NOT TO TAKE THE FORUM APPROACH OBVIOUSLY HE DIDNT HEED MUCH TO THIS WARNING. WITH A FACTORY OLD SCHOOL IGNITION SET UP, ONE MUST RUN AN EXTERNAL COIL, BOX AND DISTR. WHICH IS APROXIMATELY 5-6 WIRES HAVE TO BE RUN. WITH THE EBAY DISTR. 2 WIRES MAKES FOR CHEAPER AND SIMPLER AND SAFER SAFER SAFER SETUP. THAT WORKED WHEN THE GM GUYS WANTED TO RUN THE 9 in, WHICH WAS A CROCK DUE TO THE TRUCKS HAD TO RUN THE GM REAREND ON THE ASPHALT WHICH PUT MORE PRESSURE ON THE REARENDS THAN THE DIRT.  

FISHING WAS GREAT LAST YEAR, DIDNT STEP A FOOT @ THE TRACK LAST YEAR THINGS ARE SO MUCH SIMPLER @ THE LAKE. IM SURE JETMORES THUNDER CAR CLASS WILL LET YOU RUN THE EASY DISTR. JOSH. BY THE WAY THINGS SEEM TO BE LOOKING, JOSH YOU ARE ON THE FAST TRACK TO BE BANNED LIKE ME.  SO IF YOU WANNA RACE IN DODGE BE QUIET AND JST COME SEE ME. BUT DONT TELL ED. LMAO!!!!!  

                                           "and thats all I have to say about that"

                                                                                    Josh Weil

2:52 am
February 28, 2010


Ace

New Member

posts 2

OH Hell I didnt even see the cheap shot Ed took at me.  Ed please be wise about those cheap shots. What goes around comes around. 

                                                    Have a wonderful season competing with jetmore.

                                                    If you wanna call me Ed my number is 338-4990 feel free, we could set up some spring fishn.

                                                    Be glad to take ya.   

10:39 am
February 28, 2010


Grubbs28

Lakin

Member

posts 32

I get that the GM distribuitor is "easier" to hook up and I think it would be fun to use a HEI on my bb mopar but in my opinion the mopar and ford ignitions are real simple to wire and I dont really see how gm is safter,  and i'm real glad we are allowed to run 9in rear ends cuz I had zero luck finding a 8 3/4 mopar rear end.  I looked on ebay and for a complete dodge ignition kit and it will run u about $150 for everything NEW for a bb its cheaper yet for a SB.  Just my 2 cents

11:46 am
February 28, 2010


JBRI

garden city ks

Member

posts 20

well perhaps you should get ahold of me my number is 620 521 9579 as i know very little bout wiring ignitions. every body feel free to give me a call withany ideas that may help my cause.   

Josh Bonwell/Josh Bonwell Racing Industries


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